Episode 21: Ben Wagner

I recently sat down with Ben Wagner, an amazing fellow student who I met through Mark Passio’s 2024 How to Become the True Media course (enrolling for 2025 until New Year’s Day 2025: howtobecomethetruemedia.com). In this conversation, we discuss the parallels between making art and doing the Great Work, addiction recovery, shadow work, lessons from a profession in change management, conscious parenting, why we need to teach Natural Law, and more.

Streamyard: https://streamyard.com/sswjzfbyt7qy

Youtube: https://youtu.be/CztddPqmnPc

Odysee: https://odysee.com/@geri.cabezudo:4/Ben-Wagner:e

Spotify: https://creators.spotify.com/pod/show/godislovetruthlife/episodes/Episode-21-Ben-Wagner-e2s4dsr

Rumble: https://rumble.com/v5xrk28-episode-21-ben-wagner.html

Resources from this episode:

How To Become the True Media – 2025 class is now enrolling

Dale Chihuly

Ai Wei Wei

Alcoholics Anonymous

Al-Anon (for families and/or loved ones of an alcoholic)

A.R.K. from Mark Passio

One Great Work Network

The 365 Commitment

TED Talk: How to Make Stress Your Friend by Kelly McGonigal

Jordan B. Peterson interviews Warren Smith